Look at this link
http://krishnasenonline.org/

Nepal ko chora,
Thank you for the source.
Of course I doubt the data, we all should. THere is a difference between blindly accepting what is presented and taking the information with reservation before accepting it after confirming with other sources. I am of the latter type.

lfc123,

> i jus thought my opinions would be resepcted as well.....

Of course I respect your opinion but do not agree with your conclusions. On this thread you indicated that you do not support maobadis but now you are saying that you support the "cause" of insurgency, however you put it does not make any difference.

If you support the cause of insurgency, you support maobadis, period. If you legitimize the insurgency and sympathize with the maobadis, you support the maobadis, period. It does not take Einstein to figure that out ;-) You denounce the violence but accept the insurgency? Where does the insurgency stand without violence? Where do maobadis stand without violence? Nowhere. Isnt this contradiction??

got to go..

why are you making it sooo clear cut.....dont think it out for me. dont' say ' u sympathieze with the maoists, period'. u don't even know me. how can you figure out my politcal beliefs?? as for waht you said, i am still in the process of figuring these problems out. the line between right and wrong is very thin and can be increbily blurry. the more you think politcs, the more you will realize that. i can never competley support or critisize one particualr side because i realize that everything can be looked at from many many different perspectives. and tehre are no standards of figuring out which perspective is right and which one is wrong...
i said the causes that maoists are fighting for is fair i.e. better ecnomic and soical organization. but hey, i would support a dictatorial king if he would come up wiht a better economical or social orgnaization for my country. i dont need the maoists......am i making this clear enough?

wtf....chumps going abt defendin who's d more malicious n shld shoulder greater responsibilities for d 13 000 deaths caused in the civil war till date. Anyone defendin either d Moaist or the Army.. r blatently mopic as the have difficulty absorbing the true significance of those deaths.... one can't assume any faction 2 be more innocent than the other.....coz ..the fact is both of the Moaist and the Army have committed carnage and are equally accountable to crimes against the plp......figures of deaths by either side can substantiate their actions.....u fags....is 1 person's death any less valuable dan 10 person's lives ???

stop bitchin abt who u support n who u don't.....fags...y dun u walk talk.... involve usrelf in the country's struggles n contribute 2 the development of the nation....rather dan demonstrate ur intelligence n opinions frm ur comfy place where eva it may be....

personally, d demonstrators r also a shame....destroying public infrastructure n wat not..these r d plp lookin 4 trouble..wif no real goals in life....they comin wif d intent of doin some damage....can't they demonstrate preacefully ??? bloody goons of d politicans ...

dirty fags...all ya do is ...speak out ur opinion....deed not wrds....is d need of d hour !!! so stop ur anti-king......anti-Moaist...publicity...d fact is d politicans have been failing the nation 4 decades ....n they were d ones who breed d Moaist n r d architect of d civil unrest in d country....

P.S...my apologies 2 those whom i might have unknowing offended ...m sure some wldn't feel so as wat i wrote doesn;t imply 2 them....4 d rest...shut up ...dolts...those of u who feel strongly against wat i wrote r....in most likelyhood r d exact fags...i intended this post 4.

plus, u can still fight a revolution without violence...south africa is one example at teh top of my head.

patriot,
i dont' have the capacity to lead nepal. but politicians, kings and maostis ...no matter what, are still the leaders of my country. they are the ones able to plunge us out of this mess. as the citizens of nepal, we all have teh right to critisize and applaud our leaders. and participate in a political discussion. why is that bothering u so much?
why don't u tell us waht we should do in nepal? i might not be in the streets revolting aginast the king, i might not be in teh jungle fighting a revolution......u know why, because i don't have that capacity. i am just an average citizen. i cannot lead my country. all i can do is hope, pray, and express my opinions....

Well said lfc123.....

I sure share the same sentiments...Wish those who think they can lead the nation would do a better job....Nepalese politicians do not have any accountability to their citizens...They do it for themselves...for their future..

And the point they always miss is, what will they do if there's no NEPAL......Enough said...

lfc123,

>Why are you making it sooo clear cut...
Because I want to understand where you stand on the issue.

> i can never competley support or critisize one particualr side
> i am still in the process of figuring these problems out. the line between right and wrong is very thin and can be increbily blurry.

You need to understand where you stand on issues before taking a stand. You do not have a stand so why bother?

Patriot,
I agree with most of what you said however suggest to refrain yourself in a public forum. All we are doing here is, like you said
>.speak out ur opinion..
That's all I am doing. I wish I was back home and do more. No I am not a politician rather incredibly bothered by the current situation and NO I am not here to justify RNA either.

i can take one s tand and defend one side, but i can also take one stand and completely defend another side. like i said, its hard to come to conclusion when u r aware of both sides. we have a sticky situatin. there is no black and white. personally i mgiht tend to feel stronger about one side or cause or issue. i am saying i am not going to adamant about it and declare that i am right and everyone else is wrong. yes i do have a stand but i know i am wrong when i take that stand if i look at it from antoher perspective....u see what i am saying??? if not, i don't want to explain anymore.

8-)

When you talk about accepting data, it depends on the source. Some sources are so realiable that you don't even need to verify them because those data are made public after verification only.
Rather than blinding accepting facts or verifying from other sources, you should first check the source of the data what you have in your hand; else you will just lose your precious time verifying the data.

And, regarding the number of victims of nepali civil war, I don't have any doubt on INSEC data coz it is neither supporter of King, 7-parties or maoist. It's an independent human right organization.

lfc123,
That's exactly what's wrong with our country today, failure to take a stand because we fail to form a strong opinion despite all the sufferings. We are all confused about what to do today but expect a better tomorrow. How can there be a better future when we are confused about today? My 2 cents.

8 -)
u r not understanding what i am saying. u are persistent about finding faults in my argument. peace.

ifc,
>u are persistent about finding faults in my argument
I call that contradictions.
adios..
see you in another thread..

Who attacked Dailekh SLC center???

-> Who else? If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck. . .

By the way, have they apologized, or are they refuting?

Either ways, I am so willing to buy their argument. If they apologize I would think they have already washed their sin and now are sacred.
And if they are refuting, I would say, awww...I always knew they could have never done that. After all, have Maoists ever been a cause to any harm, mutilation, barbarism, rape, chaos, destruction, coercing and anything of that nature?

Comon people, give them a break!

And even if they did bomb the center, so what? They will let them take their version of SLC with course such as:

-"How to shoot, make a bomb - 101"
-"Just kill & mutilate! - 202"
-"Remember we are rapist, mass murderers but when we apologize, accept it !- why? Becasue we say so - 331"
-"Recruiting child soldier - 210"
"If someone disagrees - KILL 432"
"We are for the people, by the people - if those people disagree, oh well. . . just KILL them! 102"

This is the real life courses that they need to learn, not that stupid SLC. It's overrated anyways!

Disgusted!
IndisGuise:O

Couldn't agree more.
It bothers me when supposedly educated people who had significant exposure and knowledge of the west fall in the communist trap and think it is good. The most common one I hear is if you stop killing and violence I will support you. They fail to understand that maobadis only mean violance nothing more. Without violence maobad will not exist and they will not give up violence regardless of the change in political scenario.
-Shiv

Ko ho yasto nachaaahine board banaaune?? Who attacked Dailekh center..hahhaa..laughable concept...who else is gonna attack?? There are only one terrorists group in Nepal...so who else can attack..Maaowaaadi baaahek aru kasle garchha yasto ghatiyaa kaaaam.....saaale chor haru..students laai pani chhhodenan....

dhew7135,
However laughable it may be there r people who believe otherwise.

well i believe the maoist are fighting a battle that they will never win,and llets say they defeat the royal army , then what, do you really think they can run the country? tell me one country in which the revolutionary communism has ruled a country succesfully , and for god sake don't even give me China's example, cause i will pour you with so much information that you can't digest, lets just say for starters that the chinese economy boomed just because they open doors to foreign investors an diversification( capitalist principal and not communism) if you are interested we'll start a new thread on that.Any way NEPAL REQUIRES Foreign aid to run the country, and all our country donors have labelled the maoist terrorists so what's their big plan, take over the country than what? Go back to democracy that the only way, so whay don't they come up and participate in an election right now , they claim they have the peoples support so what's the problem, the problem is they have the attention cause they have the guns , they are no different from the corrupt polititians ,both of them abuse their powers, while one abuses the position the other the guns.And common , Communism that too mao's principal in today's world, seriously you would support giving up your right to free sppech, right to your hard earned property , right o information , cause that's what communism, rule by isolation keep the people behind an iron curtain so that they don't know what they are missing. I think is just some crazy ass self proclaimed peoples leader trying to cover up his failures and misleading poor uneducated people by giving them bullcrap and false hope.

This is a good article all the confused souls should read
- http://www.bangladesh-web.com/news/view.php?hidDate=2006-04-03&hidType=EDT&hidRecord=0000000000000000098739

on Nepal : Terror trail: the Maoist insurgency- "OP-ED"

Monday April 03 2006 13:38:31 PM BDT

By Rahul Thapa, Nepal

Maoists’ main aim is to grab power through violence and by using terror tactics

Nepal is facing the worst time in the form of terrorism. Terrorism has reached its peak in recent times. On an average two people are killed everyday in the violence perpetrated by the Maoists. And, sadly some political parties have become puppets and joined hands with Maoists leaders.

Last week, an Indian news and current affairs channel AAJ TAK showed a news story regarding preparation and training of Maoists cadres. Many young people including young boys and girls—were showed by the channel receiving armed training. They were equipped with sophisticated arms including self-loading, AK 47 and 56 rifles.

Now the question arises, how these arms reached and are reaching the Maoist outfit in Nepal. Nepal doesn’t manufacture arms. Naturally, these arms are being smuggled into Nepal through the porous borders of our neighboring country. Recently a truck loaded with explosives worth crores of rupees was seized. According to the authorities, the explosives were meant for use by the Maoists.

Recently, Home Minister Kamal Thapa categorically said that the Maoists are receiving their arms and explosives from a friendly neighboring country. The authorities also claimed that it looked that the explosive seized from the truck directly came out of a factory. The minister also claimed that the explosives used in the attack on Army post in Ilam recently had also come in from that friendly nation.

Here the question arises what is the cost of running such a huge movement of terrorism and from whom the Maoists are getting money to run their terrorist activity or how Maoists are collecting money?

Nepali Maoists are proudly claiming that they are a 40,000-strong outfit. They also claim that they are equipped with sophisticated arms, including SLRs, AK-47 and AK-56 rifles, automatic machine guns and anti-aircraft guns.

To run a militant organisation of such a strong outfit lakhs of rupees are required everyday for their cadres’ food and lodging. They also need crores of rupees for procuring arms. Naturally, such underground outfits procure arms and ammunition from the greymarket, which costs more than the actually price of such arms and ammunition.

Suppose Maoists rebels are spending fifty rupees on each cadre on their food and lodge alone every day. That means they need at least Rs. 20 lakh alone per day for that purpose. It comes to Rs. 6 crores a month and Rs. 72 crores a year.

Apart from that they are procuring a huge quantity of arms and ammunition to fight against the trained personnel of Royal Nepalese Army. According to a rough estimate, it would cost not less than Rs. 60-75 crores a year. We should not forgot that the Maoists are concentrated mainly in the far-flung areas with tough terrain.

It means the Maoists need a minimum of Rs. 125 to Rs. 150 crores every year to sustain and run their movement, which they claim they are fighting for the people of Nepal. They say they are fighting to bring democracy in the country. Is that true?

What the Maoists are doing? They are looting banks, collecting taxes from hapless people, forcing poor farmers to donate food grains. If innocent people are not heeding their dictates, Maoists are gunning them down. Hundreds of people have lost their lives at the hands of those who claimed that they are fighting for protecting their rights.

People are aware of the fact that the Maoists are collecting “taxes” from businessmen, factory-owners, and even small shopkeepers. They are also collecting money even from small farmers, milk vendors and vegetable growers.

The Maoists are kidnapping young boys and girls from villages and forcing them to join their cadres. People are so afraid of Maoists that parents are asking their young children to leave villages. In some of the areas with large Maoist presence and influence, one can find villages without young people. Parents send their children over the age of 14 to safer places. In some villages one can found only older people being looked after by very young kids.

Apart from using terror tactics to collect money, the Maoists have their other hidden agenda also. They are using people as human shields in most of their attacks on police or Army posts to minimize casualty. If some innocent persons are killed in the cross fire, the Maoists put the entire blame on the Army or police personnel. Media and human rights activists in such cases severely criticize the government and especially the Royal Nepalese Army (RNA) for the killing of innocent persons, ignoring the design of the Maoists for using people as human shield. They should know the actual aim and design of the Maoists— it is to minimize their loss and create hatred in the minds of the citizens against the security force and the government.

Earlier, the Maoists were using terror tactics against the relations of Army personnel. Maoists were asking them either force their wards to leave the Armed force or leave their villages. Some villagers, whose children or relations are serving with the RNA or police force, had abandoned their villages and houses. However, nowadays Maoists have adopted a new tactic. Instead of threatening people and trying to brainwash them in the hope that they will ask their ward to leave the RNA or the police force. However, the Maoists are finding little success in this as people are so afraid to return to their villages.

Thousands of innocent people have already lost their lives from the bullets of Maoists which they had procured from the money collected forcibly. The Maoists’ main aim is to grab power only through violence and by using terror tactics.

What will happen if such violent people are able to grab power? They will kill more and more innocent people who will raise voice against them as they are doing now. We should be vigilant against such elements in our society as terror has no place in the world or in a democracy.

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Source:nepal news.
A freelance journalist, Thapa writes on strategic issues.
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