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 Col. Kumar Lama case and Nepal's sovereignty

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Posted on 01-09-13 1:28 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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How many are you cognizant of Col. Kumar Lama's arrest in UK?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20914282
I am sure most have heard by now, but this case needs more thought than Piers Morgan - Alex Jones feud IMO.

What's your take on this?
 
Posted on 01-09-13 1:30 PM     [Snapshot: 3]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Col Lama has been claimed to be a British citizen by british media so if that is the case then it is a perfectly legitimate arrest and there is not much to discuss.

 
Posted on 01-09-13 1:38 PM     [Snapshot: 9]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I agree, if he is a British Citizen fk him.....he should be tried in Nepal too for not disclosing his Citizenship and cheating Nepali Government in being employed as an Army Officer representing another country.

If he is not a foreign national and is indeed a Nepali Citizen then government should side with him regardless of what he is tried for and and who is trying him. If he is a Nepali citizen then its nothing but the first world bullying a small third world national on this. If Brits really want to look for war crimes and tortures they should start from their own home and USA for all the human rights abuses in Afganistan and Iraq.

 
Posted on 01-09-13 1:40 PM     [Snapshot: 22]     Reply [Subscribe]
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The mere fact that you had to use "IF" in your statement states that it is not a closed case.
Last I read was that it was already confirmed in the court that his wife is a British citizen not him.
 
Posted on 01-09-13 2:06 PM     [Snapshot: 52]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Until and unless Nepal government comes forward and declares his legal status in Nepal there is not much to say for sure.

 
Posted on 01-09-13 2:11 PM     [Snapshot: 59]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Deserved it, wish could see a lot more like this.
Either way if he is british citizen or not, I thought human rights violators can be tried anywhere in the world.
 
Posted on 01-09-13 2:29 PM     [Snapshot: 74]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 I do not know if he is Nepali or British but all I know is he should be punished if he had committed crime. On top of that other political leaders  should be taken behind the bar too. Bottom line we need some bureau above the government agency which can provide the justice equally to all citizens. And, I can not stand these leaders f*****ing up our country in the name of rulling it. 
 
Posted on 01-09-13 2:45 PM     [Snapshot: 102]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I don't think you guys (last few posts) get it.

It's not about what crimes have been committed by the individual; it's about taking over the rights of a country to decide upon its case for its citizen. You all know Kim Jong, Assad and Ahmadinejad are guilty of so many crimes have you seen any country laying their hands on them when they are in UN summit or visit to another country? If the person is guilty, UK should turn over the accused to Nepali government, At the very least, consult Nepal before making the arrest. If Col. Lama is a citizen of UK, then, like rethink said, this is understandable. Did UK even verify what his status is?
 
Posted on 01-09-13 3:06 PM     [Snapshot: 117]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Country's sovernity is one issue. It's getting to the point when PARAS fired at RUBEL CHAUDHURY and he was coined a hero as he fired at an outsider favored by the shamless b****h K Koirala. But did Parase really do anything that was praiseworthy back then?

Well this is a case where a complaint was filed by an institution operating from Nepal against someone whom the Govt of Nepal should have punished, rather decided to leave him as colonel (karnel). Everyone knows that he is just a small fish in the pool and now probably big fishes in the pool are worried about themselves if the course of action taken against this small fish shapes into something real, then their turns are not too far or they should forget about visiting other countries.

Cases like these always brings the issue of sovereignity. But hasn't Nepal's sovreignity already been handed over to India by mo**er f***king leaders? Is it really about the sovreignity or just another bid to save the faces of big fishes who killed common people are rebel leaders in the past and are still doing it on top of protecting the killlers??

 
Posted on 01-09-13 3:23 PM     [Snapshot: 158]     Reply [Subscribe]
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No, Nepal's sovreignity has not been handed over to India yet, regardless of what everybody else thinks. So your whole argument is a wash.
 
Posted on 01-09-13 3:29 PM     [Snapshot: 163]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Uk is just trying to find the scapegoat before they can start to big ones.
Well if they start with maoist , then it can be big issues so they started with the government forces  to whom they have provided financial and logistics support at that time
 , now this has kept the maoist mum, coz later when they tried on maoist, will do that later for sure, its just a matter of time., they will pinpoint see we have started with your enemy, they will say, we dont see you as ours neither they as ours, we believe in human rights and thats our duty, so we are trying you as well.
 
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Posted on 01-09-13 3:34 PM     [Snapshot: 178]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 An interesting perspective on this in nepali times:

Transboundary jurisdiction 
http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/2013/01/9/GuestColumn/19930#.UO3hIuQR5c4

 
Posted on 01-09-13 3:46 PM     [Snapshot: 185]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Kiddo isnt it enough to prove that Nepal's sovreignity has been handed to India by leaders that Nepal's people can go to vote, but then their votes do not decide who becomes the prime minister of the country. The leaders of big three parties still visit dhoti duwatas to garner blessing before the run for govt leadership (not the election) and they visit their mecca Delhi to pay homage to their saviours right after forming govt for it's long life? Aaru kura tyastai ho, India says left turn, Nepali leaders do left turn, India says right turn, Nepali leaders do right turn. And the whole country and those who want to stay untouched by all this f**kin mess are affected by this.
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Posted on 01-09-13 4:09 PM     [Snapshot: 209]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ok, Gwach, assume you are right and Nepal's officially been given to India; then what about India's sovreignity? Shouldn't UK respect that? I am having a nonsensical argument here over the hypotheticals. What you're saying is something we say satirically; those hyperbolies should not be used as basis of an argument.

Snurp, good share. I don't agree with Mr. Pradhan who tends to think a person, and the case against him, is over a nation. I am not okay with another country taking our people and punishing them in whatever way they think is right. If Ram Kaji sues David Cameron for some kind of war crime, should we have the right to arrest the UK PM when he visits Nepal?
 
Posted on 01-09-13 4:45 PM     [Snapshot: 233]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Kiddo,

We have the right to arrest UK PM, the same way european nations are trumpeting how they would arrest Bush when he visits for his war crimes. I don't think it is a moral question, the question we should be asking is "Are we able to?"

That's where I agree with Mr. Pradhan that "weak nations must do as they MUST". A tragic truth!

 
Posted on 01-09-13 6:14 PM     [Snapshot: 314]     Reply [Subscribe]
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You know Nepali politicians - they can, have been, and will continue doing anything from making new laws to plotting mass murders in order to stay in power and rich. I am glad that UK arrested the accused. And all these talks about sovereignty of Nepal are nothing but bs. These suckers are just worried that their turn might come soon.

I don't see how this incident has anything to do with Nepal's sovereignty. When India directly puts its nose in Nepali politics, encroaches into Nepali land, builds dams to submerge villages in Terai, and so on... where the hell were these so called patriots? Why didn't /don't anyone give two shits about issues alike that really threaten our sovereignty?

I would support any authority that punishes these blood suckers. Good to see some JAAI KATAK NAGARNU, JHIKI KATAK GARNU in practice.
 
Posted on 01-09-13 8:10 PM     [Snapshot: 445]     Reply [Subscribe]
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yes nepali politician  talks abt sovreerigty during election time as the way politician in usa talks about immigration during election time.
 
Posted on 01-10-13 12:41 PM     [Snapshot: 625]     Reply [Subscribe]
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@Snurp
No we don't have right to arrest and sentence UK PM for crimes committed in his country. About Bush getting arrested; first of all certainly not for the crimes he did in US (but the ones that affected other countries) and second I will tell you to sell your horse and sleep knowing he won't be arrested.

Not sure what part is not clear folks, but, its not about crime here. You guys are so hell bent on seeing it as a tragedy committed by or against maoist, you fail to see what else is at stake. You visit Ireland and next thing you know you are arrested and sent to prison for a case brought up by your neighbor in Nepal against you.

What happens in the country is our problem. We don't need another country to penalize our people. Might as well give your passport and citizenship if you think otherwise.
 
Posted on 01-10-13 1:23 PM     [Snapshot: 640]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 Kiddo,
According to your logic the war crimes committed in Darfur for instance, shouldn't have any bearing in the world. Because it is another country's problems?  If what happens in your country is ONLY your problem, doesn't it make easy for certain tyrants to stick to power  hen they know they can easily rule by the barrel of the gun forever? How many examples do you want of that around the world?

I also agree with you that Bush won't be arrested, but it is not because he's hiding in US, but the "world police" aka USA won't let it happen (remember the notion of weak and strong (militarily in this case) . But look at how conveniently they have placed embargo against Russia's human rights' abusers but cry foul when russia uses a similar ploy in adoption.

Perhaps you're talking about every citizen has the right to a due process in his own country, which I agree with you. But when you have a PM of a country like ours who is openly condemning the probe into human rights abuses, then you know the judiciary in YOUR country is powerless and all the probes merely seem sham. It is easy to sit back and say you can't continue to pick on old wounds, but try telling that to the family of those abused/killed who had no link to the war whatsoever.

 This is exactly the reason why we need an international group(not a single country) to probe into these, especially in a country like ours, which I support wholeheartedly. Yes, I do understand it is not a perfect or a fair system, but its a start!


 



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