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pyaari kt
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Posted on 07-01-09 5:56
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How could people tolerate a rapist being in such a Nepali conference? Either boycott the conference, where rapists like Ajay Kumar Dev are the members and terrorists like NEPE are giving some talk or, Just thrash these people out of the convention and make the convention enjoyable and knowledgeful. Whats your say guys?
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Posted on 07-09-09 11:23
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Bob Marley, Jurors have rights to speak after the case is done but they cannot speak to the outside world when the case is going on. Don't you see in high profile case how jurors get interview after the case is done? Reading the statement from allysman, it is horror for any girl to get raped that also from adoptive father. What a sicko...
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allysma
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Posted on 07-09-09 10:23
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Bob Marley, I am able to discuss the case now. It is over and we found him guilty. I cannot be paid for talking about the case but I can talk about it now... I am not Nepalese. I do not claim to understand the "typical" Nepali family structure. I do believe that any Nation, Nationality, Religion, or whatever culture who believes that incestual relationships are acceptable is completely disgusting (biological or otherwise). If reporting what he did to her makes her a bad Nepali girl, I for one will give her kudos and tell her WAY TO GO GOOD AMERICAN GIRL!!!!!
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GuitarDaku
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Posted on 07-09-09 10:43
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allysma, i have been following this thread and i am surprised that you have been reduced to attacking nepali culture now. this is not about any culture or nation but rather about families and justice. In any case, there's two sides to the story and we are all trying to get at the truth. do not try to attack a culture with your implications. Also, how can just phone calls be the ONLY evidence that is drawn (and I am talking with regards to any case not just to this one). That sounds very shaky. What's the reason behind you mentioning that A was in Nepal when the girl went there too? Isn't is obvious that they are family and obviously they share same relatives and they would be at the wedding at the same time?? I don't see that much relevance in that fact. And of course, the guilty should be charged. Don't get me wrong. But in any case, there's two sides to the issue and the punishment should fit the crime. We do but only have one life to live!!! And Karma will get back to anyone who did injustice...
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Bob Marley
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Posted on 07-09-09 11:20
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Allysma
Thanks for clearifying, I was under the impression that the deliberation was NOT set yet. That SOB deserves to rot in hell.
GuitarDaku,
Get over with it. You got to be so pathetic and insecured to be bothered by what Allysma said, which to me makes perfectly sense. Don't paint Nepali people as saints and our culture is as F!!ck as the rest of the world. So you think the justic system was a flaw, conpared to where...Nepal? You must definetly be a relative of that scum Ajay.
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allysma
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Posted on 07-09-09 11:21
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GuitarDaku I am not attacking the Nepali culture. I am responding to Bob Marley who states that the victim would be considered a "bad girl" in Nepali culture for reporting the crime. I am sorry if you took it that way. Ajay did not go to the wedding, he went there to shut her up about the crime which is why he was found guilty of persuading a witness. As soon as he arrived in Nepal, she was arrested on some trumped charge of a bad birthdate which kept her trapped for a year and a half.... The phone call was a big part of the decision but not the whole decision. Keep in mind though that Ajay did not testify. The only words that we heard from him were on that tape and it told us most of what we needed to know to make a decision.
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Posted on 07-10-09 12:03
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allysma, Its good you came and cleared the things up. I just want to mention that incest is not acceptable in Nepalese society. peace
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GuitarDaku
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Posted on 07-10-09 12:08
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Bob marley, If you were as smart as you think you were, you would attack my points and not me. Go and smoke your dope, man... Your need to see the world in black and white speaks for itself. Implications mean a lot and there is a difference between being paranoid and being realistic. Allysma, I read some postings back that only the phone call swayed your decisions that's why I said, it's shaky. Hell, I am not a lawyer and thank god, i didn't choose that field and I am inclined to trust the judge but I have seen cases with friends here who have been accused of wrong things which harmed their lives irreparably. For eg, I have a friend (who is an ex-marine) who was accused of having a bomb (bomb making materials) in a car because he had left over fireworks in the car and he was locked up for a month but eventually freed. even if i tried, i could not make this up. And He is a US citizen as well obviously (ex marine, like i said). He lost his job, and his life. THat's why I am always skeptical about topics which involve two parties now. And I encourage everyone to be so. If you feel comfortable with your decisions, I praise you but if there's any lingering doubt, act upon it with logic and not your emotions and irrationality.
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allysma
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Posted on 07-10-09 12:23
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I am extremely comfortable with our decision. I actually sleep very well at night knowing that he will never be able to do this to anyone else ever again. Please know that no one on the jury thought this trial and this defendant ever put a black mark on the Nepali communities. This is one individual who made bad and disgusting choices and got caught. I have made a comment before that if the Judge feels that we made the wrong decision, he has the power to begin the process of reversing it. He has more information and evidence than we were given. On August 7th, if he feels we were wrong, he can fix it. I dont think for one second that it will happen that way though. I believe from the bottom of my heart that Ajay is going away for a really long time....and the only person I feel bad for is his young child who is completely innocent in this whole thing. Yes, the phone call was a huge deciding factor but it was not everything.
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Posted on 07-10-09 2:04
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Allysma, I know you definitely do not know Nepali culture. I want to point out that incestal relationship is both illegal and immoral inNepal unlike some of the states in the United States where incestal relationship between adults is not illegal although many people find it disgusting. I know some of the writings are in Nepali and you are not getting the full context at times that may have led you to suspect that incestal relationship may be practiced in Nepal. It is not only immoral but also illegal in Nepal. It is more than disgusting as you have mentioned. I just wanted to clarify if you had any misconception about it. Rest is appreciated, your coming out and defending that poor girl.
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allysma
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Posted on 07-10-09 10:36
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I would like to clear this whole thing up. I do not believe that these types of relationship are accepted in Nepal. Unfortunately, I do not know much about Nepal, I admit. The only things I know are descriptions I heard during the trial and Mount Everest is there. That is the extent of my knowledge. I do not believe that the actions of this one man are a reflection of life in Nepal. Purush, even in the backwood redneck areas of the US, incest with a minor is illegal. Nowhere in the Country is it legal.
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Posted on 07-10-09 10:42
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Dear Bob Marley, You have right to express ur uiew but u can't compare this case with GP and SK.Please try to study more before to express view in public forum.Nepali culture also not like as u mentioned and Nepali law also punished if any one guilty but only difference in USA and Nepal is that in Nepal, if u have power and money, u can make decision in ur faver whatever ur crime but not in USA.
Bob Marley Wrote, | |  he victim's name, if it is real, should NOT have been revealed here. This can jeopardize the case and you (the one who said it first) can be taken to court. That is so wrong for a Jury to come out and speak publicly about the case.I hope you have the court's permission. Sabaikobabu The reason we defend people is that it is a part of our culture. Sujata Koirala defends her dad Girij, which makes her a good daughter to him. If she were a good person ( with a Western philosophy) she would turn her back and denounce her father. But that makes a bad daughter back in Nepali culture. We'll do anything for loved one even if it involves crime, murder, sin or corruption. It is written in our blood, which is a critical factor how we shape our society and where we are. Ajay's parents are good parents who went so far to defend their son, at least from Nepali's point of view. Our culture would be better off learning those values from the West and stop those corrupt Indian cultural influences. |
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RmNY
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Posted on 07-10-09 11:24
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Why Ajay did not testify of his crime? was he not allowed or not necessary to testify?
Allysma wrote,
"The phone call was a big part of the decision but
not the whole decision. Keep in mind though that Ajay did not
testify. The only words that we heard from him were on that tape and
it told us most of what we needed to know to make a decision."
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Issac
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Posted on 07-10-09 7:17
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rmny, Ajay was able to take the witness stand as it was his right as a defendant. However, he opted to refuse that route. Why? I have no clue, but my intuition (and the police detective who helped the victim) tells me that Ajay didn't want to be subjected to a position where he would be forced to tell the "truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." In other words, Ajay chose to keep silent for the duration of the trial, and have his lawyer speak on his behalf. I feel that, if he felt that he were truly innocent, then he would have had nothing to hide by taking the witness stand. I'm assuming that most people would feel this way. However, the jurors were undoubtedly briefed on refraining from taking this frame of mind lest it create a bias.
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Issac
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Posted on 07-10-09 7:18
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allysma
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Posted on 07-11-09 3:29
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Any defendant in the US has the right to not testify. The jury cannot use that against them and cannot use the fact that they did not testify in the decision process. Ajay chose (or his lawyer chose) to not testify. It is what it is.....
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Poonte
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Posted on 07-11-09 8:58
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I find even the remotest possibility of such crimes being true horrifically disgusting, so, for now, as a convicted criminal on such crimes, Ajay Dev has little sympathy from me. I am also dismayed by the fact that the larger Nepali society -- on this case in particular, and on the issues of gender-based crimes such as sexual harassment, rape and domestic violence, in general -- remains complacent at the best, and dismissive at the worst. That said, I also believe that at times -- for whatever reasons -- the justice system is prone to aberrant blunders, and that every guilty has the right to appeal the conviction(s). However, any appeal(s) on behalf of Ajay Dev by his family and friends can be best utilized if they remain focused on presenting them in the (higher) courts, rather than the larger public. I have seen two so far -- one from his parents, and the other from his wife, Peggy. I find the latter particularly intriguing for obvious reasons. I am curious to know what Allysma, in her/his capacity as a juror, would have to say to Peggy's appeal. ********************
An appeal seeking justice against the unfair trial and detention of my husband, Ajay Dev
I, Peggy Dev, the wife of Ajay Dev am appealing to you to discover the truth about the unfair trial and conviction of my husband despite all of the evidence presented at trial, which was more than enough to prove his innocence. I am deeply hurt to hear the rumors and lies that have been said about my husband. Therefore, I would like to clarify what happened with facts and the truth. My husband has been detained and is now in custody for the charges the accuser claimed happened six years ago (1999- 2003), and faces life in prison. Sapna, the 26 year old adopted daughter of Ajay and me, claimed that Ajay raped her 550-750 times while living with us in our home. She claimed that Ajay raped her while I was sleeping in the same bed. She claimed she was raped at friends and relatives homes. I, his wife, would have known if he were raping Sapna. He did NOT! We lived in a very small house. She showed no signs of trauma. She was a happy person. We gave her everything she needed—a good education, food, clothing, vacations, cell phone and use of a car. We would not give her permission to live a wild life such as staying out until all hours, drinking and having sex outside of marriage. We wanted her to preserve her Nepali culture and values. She moved out of our home in December 2003. By her moving out and subsequent actions, we disinherited her. Also, Ajay explained to her boyfriend about the Nepali Culture and expectations. After this, the boyfriend broke up with Sapna, and the next day (February 2, 2004) she went to the police very angry alleging that Ajay raped her. In May she requested the charges be dropped and went to Nepal for a visit, where she was found guilty and convicted of passport fraud. She spent 19 days in jail. The only way she could come back to the U.S. was if the case against Ajay was reopened. After contacting the Davis Police Department, she obtained another passport by lying that she had never had a criminal conviction. The Nepal Court still held her fraudulent passport in custody. The Detective Mark Hermann of the Davis Police Department contacted the Mr. Farquhar US Embassy in Nepal and asked them to help Sapna gain entrance to the US because Ajay had been charged, and she was a witness in the case against him.
After returning to the US the case against Ajay was reopened. If Ajay were convicted she would then be able to stay in the US legally.
Six months after Sapna’s return to the US, the Yolo County Deputy District Attorney Steve Mount charged Ajay, which was in April 2006. It took 3 years to bring to case to trial. During those 3 years if Ajay were guilty he could have fled the US to Nepal. He stayed because he knew he was innocent and believed in the American Justice System. My parents, seven siblings and friends outside and in the Nepali Community have worked hard to collect evidence of his innocence. None of us are stupid or immoral and would not have supported Ajay if he were guilty. Together, we have done research and discovered the Deputy District Attorney has a past track record of unfair trials. At Ajay’s trial the DDA (Deputy District Attorney) misrepresented the evidence to the jury and used emotion and theatrics in his closing arguments. The jury consisted of 9 women and 3 men, 10 who were white. On the basis of the comments of 3 jurors on a blog, I conclude that Ajay would be a free man today if the DDA had not misguided the jury. The jury ignored the testimony of Sapna’s medical doctor, the adoption social worker and medical records, which have Sapna’s own signature stating that she was never raped. The DDA made false charges against Ajay for showing pornography to Sapna. By doing that, he provoked and prejudiced the jury against Ajay, even though he was not convicted on for any pornography. The jury convicted Ajay of dissuading a witness (keeping Sapna in Nepal), but the court did not allow Ajay to bring into evidence the court documents from Nepal, which would have proved his innocence. Sapna lied and submitted altered documents to the court in Nepal, but those were summarily ignored. Sapna lied under oath in Yolo County Court. She forged documents. There were many more instances in the trial which constitute an unfair trial for Ajay.
I have only touched on a very small amount of facts in this unfair
trial and am pleading to the Attorney General, media and everyone to
investigate the trial of Ajay Dev and find the TRUTH of his innocence.
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Poonte
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Posted on 07-11-09 9:04
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Nevermind! (Ignore the previous msg...posted below)...looks like it worked the last time I editted. *************** hyaaaa! San, Can you correct the WIDE gaps between the paragraphs on Peggy's appeal? I copied and pasted it from an email, and that's how it appeared here -- I tried editing too, but it didn't help.
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Posted on 07-11-09 9:57
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Please bring the wife's name is here. Have some respect!!
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Posted on 07-11-09 10:05
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Please have some respect for his wife. Donot mention her name here. She is not on trail here. She is one amazing woman whom I respect and love very much. She is very understanding. The accuser could have told her everything if she really was abused. Its wrong to convict him just with the phone conversation. THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT!! And you people will see it. PLEASE LEAVE THE WIFE ALONE!!
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Posted on 07-11-09 10:28
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I would doubt that Jurors would come here and say anything about appeal filed by Ajay's wife as this will be another court matter where different Juror's would have to go and look at the evidence presented..... In the appeal letter presented above, i did not find anywhere that mentioned about the recorded phone conversation between Ajay and the victim where Ajay admitted having consensual sex not once but twice according to Jurors. Had there not present the recorded phone conversation, Ajay could have been a free man... Regarding forgery case of the victim in Nepal, I am not sure why Ajay's relative needs to report the wrong dob to authority. Forgery case like this in Nepal is debatable and i think it practical in Nepal....... who would commit this kind of forgery through whom is also debatable.....
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