How could people tolerate a rapist being in such a Nepali conference? Either boycott the conference, where rapists like Ajay Kumar Dev are the members and terrorists like NEPE are giving some talk or, Just thrash these people out of the convention and make the convention enjoyable and knowledgeful. Whats your say guys?

Yes A is convicted but still there is hearing this coming month. She lied so much. I wish someone post the taped conversation Ajay and Sapana had. Sapana's bf's were in stand too admiting that they slept with Sapana.. She may have had abortions from those guys.Its so hard to believe as I know both paties very well. Sapana is very manupulative. If she was really raped I hope she gets justice but If Ajay is innocent I hope he gets justice too.

Dear Dance_Zone,
True, there is a hearing left for Ajay but it will be very difficult that the judge will over rule and flip the conviction. One thing you might have heard that Ajay admitted having sex with the victim on recorded phone conversation. Having sex with minor is crime in the U. S. whether it is consent or not. You should read the comment posted at thread http://www.topix.com/colleges/cal-state-chico/2009/06/da-nepalese-man-convicted-of-raping-girl
then you will know how Ajay was convicted of rape and molest.

Dance zone, Why are you yapping about victims character, can you prove  it? How hard is your head to believe he admitted having sex with the adopted girl during phone conversation.
Did you forget child pornography pictures in the defendants computer?    Shows the true character of the defendants.
The jurors in that site has clearly explained how they came to conclusion with all the facts. I hope he rots in jail for causing emotional trauma to the victim.

A few misconceptions that I would like to clear up...

 

1.  The boyfriend (ONLY 1) that testified and admitted to sexual relationships with the victim was her boyfriend long after the preganacies.  He could not have been the father.  All pregnancies were after she was 18 so there was no crime if it was a boyfriend.  There were no convictions about the pregnancies.  There was no proof on who the fathers were, Ajay or other... 

2.  When the victim confronted her abuser in the phone conversation about being the father of the babies, he did NOT deny it.

3.   It was not 3 abortions.

4.  The only hearing later this month is on August 7th when he will be sentenced.  that is unless the Judge decides that the decision was wrong and starts the process to overturn the verdicts. (Which I highly doubt since he has access to more information that any of us).

5.  Ajay was able to inpregnate a woman.  His wife had a baby.  Yes, he had a low sperm count, he was not spermless.  It only takes 1 sperm to get a female pregnant....

Lastly, I would like to invite ANY man out there who can justify a father stating to his daughter "You F*&cked me after the age of 18, that means you gave me consent" to please give an innocent explanation....

 

Allysma, the quote you have posted at the end explained to me that Ajay had sexual relationship after the age of 18 and it was consentual. If it was just "You F*&cked me after the age of 18" but not included "that means you gave me consent" it can be interpreted different way.

We all have the right to talk and our views. RMNY stop barking!! Or are you her husband or were her bf before? Only she knows what she is capable of. What proof do you have that she really was raped? Did you actually hear Ajay admiting it? We never heard that. I can understand law is law but an innocent man has been convicted before too many times for false accusations!!

Dance Zone you are liar, that proved in the another site. You forgot to mentioned Ajay has a baby with his wife, you were boasting how he is infertile. You forgot  to mention the child pornography in Dev's computer. All of them were proven in the court. The victim has only one boy friend testified according to juror  in the another site, the boy friend is after she turned 18.   You are sicko just like Dev.   Juror has given you good answer in the another site. 

http://www.topix.com/colleges/cal-state-chico/2009/06/da-nepalese-man-convicted-of-raping-girl

RmNy here is the statement from one of the juror from the other site.

Juror:After this comment, the next thing he said was "that means you gave
consent". Several times he mentions she should forget about things that
happened at age 15 because now, she is over 18...

Nepali wrote:

<quoted text>
Could
you please provide me 3 to four sentences that proceeded and came after
the "You Fu@#ed me after 18 years of age" comment so that I can get
sense of the context including the cultural and circumstancial context
he was talking in. I want to be sure they were not things like, I
adopted you, provided you a good life, gave you everything parents can
give and then you turn 18 and Fu@#ed me, etc.... I wish the court
documents and the the full length Pretext was already available on-line
for all of us to listen.

Dance Zone,

Do we really need to argue over whether Ajay raped his daughter or not????? Isn't the fact that Ajay having sex with his daughter alone sufficient to know that Ajay is a sicko???? You can argue on how some of the charges on Ajay could be false but don't try to convince the forum that Ajay is innocent.

They had an audio recording of him admitting of having sex with his daughter.

Sid

How could a normal person can watch child pornography, this person is sick for sure. This person should be on prison or there will be other victim, Is his own child will be safe with him?? I felt so sorry for this adopted girl, having a multiple boyfriend is  her own choice but molested by her  so called father is something different. You guys wrote lot's of bad things about her but how can a girl who was molested by a father at her early age could be normal??

My observation going through the thread.

Allysma: You sound like one of the jurors

Dance Zone: Ajay's brother or close relatives (I can be wrong)

Ajay did have sex with his adopted daughter when she was minor (he legally committed a crime).

If we are talking about whether Ajay is a rapist or criminal, it is not necessary to bring the girl's present character. He confessed doing this means, he commited a crime.

Due to Ajay's molestation, the girl, Sapana, changed and became something that Dance Zone is alleging. She may be manipulative, having random sex with guys or what ever, it reflects what Ajay did to her in her early days in the US. If he was protective of this girl as his daughter, she would probably not become like this.

Therefore, Ajay is a criminal no matter how bad she has become now. He also committed a crime because his acts made her to become bad. She would most likely to be like any other Nepali woman now if she was not subjected to what Ajay did. Use common sense, guys. Either way the girl is the victim and Ajay is the criminal.

 

 

 

Such issues in Nepali organizations are nothing new. Few years ago another similar discussion took place here and no results....no action....but there were more people to defend culprit and justify how smarta nd intellectual he was....FYI http://www.wavemag.com.np/issue/article1552.html

Have your heard the recorded tape A admiting it? I am not convinced till I hear it. I am not related to Ajay or Sapana. I want Sapana to get justice if she really is a victim. But I also dont want innocent to spent entire life in prison.

Yes, I have heard it....several times.....

Are u a friend or related to sapana? Did u hear the tape at teh court? Do u know where I can hear it?

Dear Dance Zone,

I am neither victims ex-bf nor husband. I am just a sympathizer..... Whether we hear the tape conversation or not it really does not matter now. The case is in the hand of court and they decided based on what they have heard.

To my view, Ajay is opportunistic who tried to get away with the crime he committed. Jurors in court have heard enough to convict Ajay as molester and rapist. They have recorded phone conversation as a real evidence where Ajay said he had consensual sex with the victim as Jurors in the other post said.

Wait till Aug 7th and you will know how long Ajay will be behind the bar.

Dance Zone, I am neither a friend nor a relative of either the victim or the defendant..  Purush is correct about me.  I was on the jury.  I heard the tape in the court room and then several times during deliberations....  Our verdicts were based almost completely on that phone call.  I really wish you would quit referring to the victim by her name.  She has been victimized by his family enough and does not deserve to have her name plastered all over the internet by you.  A few things that noone has heard yet...

Ajay was arrested twice, the last time being after he bailed out of jail and immediately began making threatening phone calls to the victims family in Nepal to make the whole thing go away.  he went so far as to tell them that they would end up in the same place she was in if it did not go away.

There was an assualt outside of the USA which the victim had never mentioned.  It was the defense attorney who brought the attack up and she admitted that it had happened and she had not mentioned it before.  The defencse attorney used that as something that she may have lied about.  Question is, how did he know about it?  The only way he would have known was if the defendant told him about it...

Once the victim had gone to Nepal for a wedding, he just happened to be in Nepal staying with a family member when that person made a police report about her and she was arrested.  A birthdate issue on her passport.  She was stranded in Nepal for a year and a half.  During this time, his family here began a letter writing campaign to keep her out of the US.  Ajay even went so far as to offer her to have her education paid for if she agreed to go to Canada and stay there for a number of years (statute of limitations).  Why would he do that for someone who had claimed he raped her for 5 years unless he wanted her to keep quiet?

 

I want everyone to know that he did receive a fair trial. He admitted to having sex with her after he claimed that the entire story was made up and that NOTHING ever happened between them.  Once we heard the phone call, we all knew his defense had gone to hell...  Had it been for her testimony alone, he would not be where he is now.  There would be no proof.  It was listening to him on a 45 minute phone call that put him there....

I have seen people write that had she come to them before, they would support her.  Problem being, that is the exact opposite of what happened.  Everyone in the extended family completely shunned her and have not spoken to her since.... 

 

What I am surprised is that Nepali community keep finding way to defend people like Ajay Dev and Arun Sharma in Arizona and others. During Arun Sharma's case, so called Nepali community leaders raised money to bail him out an dhe is still under strong stpulationa nd not allowed to be around minors (20 ft or so) etc and group like ANA do not stop giving him responsibilities and publishing pictures in the newsletter and our community keep participating in Nepal Democracy forum etc to give him more importance and encourgaement.....

 

Let me just ask those of you in this forum who have kids or minors at home....after knowing all of it, how will you feel if people like Ajay Dev and Arun Sharma etc come to your house and stay overnight.

Allysma,

Thanks for joining this forum and letting people know the truth.

Dance Zone,

Its time that you give up on feeding Sajha people that Ajay was innocent.

Sid

There are a few points on the phone call that people like Dance may want to know about that will give some insight as to why we found him guilty..

There were actually 2 phone calls that we heard.  the first one was between the victim and Ajay's wife.  That call is the victim trying to talk to her "daddy" and the mother refusing to allow her to speak to him.  The victim mentions that if he will not speak to her, that she will be forced to talk to the police about something but refuses to tell the mother what it is about..

The next call is between the victim and Ajay. By this time he should already know there is something that she wants to go the police about.  We assumed his wife had talked to him about the first call.  It starts out with the victim telling him that she went to the school counselor and they began talking about her sex life and the abortions.  The victim asks Ajay if she should tell the counselor about their relationship "should I tell the counselor about you and me daddy?".  Not once does he ask "what relationship" or "what are you talking about", the only thing he wants to know is why she went to the counselor and whos phone she is using to call him. 

He flips back and forth from English to Nepali during this 45 minute conversation.  During the parts in Nepali, he is telling her to keep quiet and not go to the police, not to talk on the phone about "these" things, and to forget about things that happened when she was 15.  When he is speaking English, it is all about "this is the worst accusation that you could make" and telling her to go to the police right away and that he would defend himself.  It appears that his wife is near him when he is speaking English becasue the entire tone changes.  At one point the victim asks him if mom is in the room and asks if that is why he is speaking English all of a sudden...

She attempts several times to get off the phone but he does not want her to hang up.  Yes, several times he completely denies anything but only when he is speaking English.  He tries to keep her on the phone and continues the English/Nepali bantor.  Finally, the ultimate comment of "you fu*&ed me after the age of 18, that means you gave consent". 

I hope this helps to shed some light and helps people realize that he is guilty and he is right where he needs to be....

The victim's name, if it is real, should NOT have been revealed here. This can jeopardize the case and you (the one who said it first) can be taken to court. That is so wrong for a Jury to come out and speak publicly about the case.I hope you have the court's permission.
Sabaikobabu
The reason we defend people is that it is a part of our culture. Sujata Koirala defends her dad Girij, which makes her a good daughter to him. If she were a good person ( with a Western philosophy) she would turn her back and denounce her father. But that makes a bad daughter back in Nepali culture. We'll do anything for loved one even if it involves crime, murder, sin or corruption. It is written in our blood, which is a critical factor how we shape our society and where we are. Ajay's parents are good parents who went so far to defend their son, at least from Nepali's point of view. Our culture would be better off learning those values from the West and stop those corrupt Indian cultural influences.