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Posted on 10-21-08 3:12 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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 Hey guys please clearify me on one thing. Does it really matters which university you graduate from? It is wise to choose better university? or it doesnt even matter since graduation is the most important thing no matter where you go. What are the benifits of graduating from the reputed university upon graduating from any short of not so popular university?

Actually i am planning to join university soon thats why its getting hard for me to decide where to go. I got two options right now. I can eather stay around hear and join ok kind of university and enjoy my financial freedom as i got job and every thing over here or look out for a better university and leave everything behind. Please guys share your views.


 
Posted on 10-21-08 5:01 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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graduating from a better university generally gives you a better shot at a better graduate school, given you have the grades. also, a well-known university is favored by employers over an obscure one since the employers at least have an idea of what to expect from a graduate of the known university. this is why also why it's (generally) easier to get a job in the same state as your university (excluding the top notch universities, of course), as it is more likely to be known by the employers... even a degree from a top liberal arts college in the northeast might not have as much of an impact somewhere in the west as it would in the northeast.

 
Posted on 10-22-08 12:58 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hmm according to my English teacher when you apply for job first thing they look at is your GPA and after that the university you graduated from??? different people says differnt thing but that was my high school english teacher...

 
Posted on 10-22-08 8:07 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Experience and your involvement in university activities counts a lot in USA while applying for job . GPA over 3 is good for all. Bachelor degree is a must for getting a good job. Master is for those who want to go for higher level positions like managers. Having all these with a degree from reputed college you become a chocolate coated strawberry.
 
Posted on 10-22-08 10:05 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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This is a cliche' but you theoretically you don't require a university to be successful. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerburg were all drop-outs but they're way on the top now.

From a more mature perspective it does for us Nepalis, even more so in the US. You don't only have things to look after graduation, but the period before that - the actual time you spend in a university. It's true that international students from better colleges get into good universities and/or with better financial awards at grad school.

 If you tell us the names of the universities specifically, we'd be in a better position to give a genuine feedback. If you're looking at those ranking, most of them are flawed, so you'd have to consider a lot of things before actually making decisions on universities.

I'd say go to a better university. You have some people to leave behind and  a job - that's just it. Remember that place was new when you came there the first time. It might have taken some effort to find the job. Try to find some people in a better university and plan about jobs and stuffs. With enough planning, this should be a no-brainer.


 
Posted on 10-22-08 10:11 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Yo University le ni kahile picha nachodne bho. When I completed my Bachelors I said to myself , thats it! Aba kaam garne ho.     Then after sometime sathi haru ko laahai laahai ma lagera  bidesh ma masters apply gariyo.   Masters ni sakiyo. I said to myself. Now no more education.   ........................then I struggled to find good job................yesari basnu bhanda baru doctor banchu bhane and now got enrolled in phd............if i become doctor.....i will most likely be a professor.............ani feri tyahi university ma teaching............sala yo university le kahile picha nachodne bho............

 
Posted on 10-22-08 11:58 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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lol...saaro tension bhayo raicha ta ho no quiero bro lai ta.....

 
Posted on 10-22-08 12:01 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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on the topic, aafnu khasai gyan nabhaya pani my few thoughts....i feel that the university quality doesnt really matter as long as you are a genuine student and would like to learn stuff. if you dont have the dedication you can go to the ive league unis and be a miserable student and fail in life but if you are a good student you are likely to succed from any uni....just my thoughts

 
Posted on 10-22-08 7:02 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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oblivious, you make a very obvious statement. a really good student stands out everywhere of course and will very likely have a successful career. Hell, some people don't even require a uni degree to be successful. But I think all this is besides the point of OP's question.

The graduate school admission officers I have heard from mentioned that they don't like to take chances like an undergraduate school might. This is because a graduate level education is an investment for the school, they are in many ways paying to have you study there, so they only seek the best and most motivated students. This is what creates the "feeder schools", those undergraduate schools that have a reputation for sending its students to the top graduate schools. The top graduate schools tend to play it safe and select most of their students from among these schools, and then they take the others.

But then of course, I'm talking about engineering where most students do not pay for graduate school. It could be different in different fields.

 
Posted on 10-22-08 8:05 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Wahiyat Kura!!

Who said getting a degree from a better university Lands u a better job or job at all? Dude, Wake up !!employers don't give a shit at ur GPA ( I am talking abt masters degree), and they didn't give a shit abt ur college from which u graduated..It's the Calibre and experience and know how of the technologies that matters..Hone ur skills like razor blade Dude!!! learn abt new technologies and perform ur handson on those technologies..Dude!! I had applied on quite a bit of companies nd know what they never asked abt my GPA and the college i graduated..They just asked me abt whether i know this and that thing and sometimes (esp in the case of application programming), they will tell u to write the algorithm and in some cases ask u to debug the program in real time...'

 

I don't wanna say not to spend much time in studying (theory ghokne kaam), experiment in new technologies even if the college don't provide it..and always think out of the box..And always ask yourself  KINA yasto hunchha na ki Ye yasari garne...

 

Best of Luck dude


 
Posted on 10-22-08 8:34 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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 Virusno1, I think you are making a subtle mistake. Which firm did you apply for? I am sure it is a not-so-important position in some not-so-great firm.  Most of the reputed firms, which aim to develop cutting edge technology,  aim to hire people who has potential to contribute to those goals, and they do look at the graduates of top schools. These are the firms that go to the top schools, hire top graduates and try to make their mark in the market.

While it is common to find students from the schools which are not very highly ranked in these firms, an overwhelming number of the students hired recently are from top schools. They look at the graduates of lower ranked schools only if they can't attract talents from top school, or only if they believe they won't be able to retain these talents once they are hired.

Not many Nepali students have made it into top graduate schools, top firms, and so not many Nepali graduates are millionaires in making. This has in turn fed our own illusory perception about whether top schools matter. They matter, because they signal something to top notch employers. They matter because you are likely to rub shoulders with the top class professors, top class classmates, and you are likely to attend seminars of top scientists of our era. You are also likely to meet the hiring officers from top research firms, top technology firms, or top financial firms there. You get an experience that is rarely available at the lower ranked schools. If you can make it to top schools, go there. Aim high, and encourage other Nepali to go there too.

If you can't make it to top schools, never discourage others from going there. As for yourself, wherever you land, make sure you work like a charged bull when you are in the school. In USA, you have no other qualification but your own GPA and CV. nepalko source-force le yahaa kaam gardaina. So, keep working hard.

 
Posted on 10-22-08 9:09 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Pire, I couldn't agree more! Legacy counts a lot.

 
Posted on 10-22-08 9:17 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Pire Bro,

I think you are overstating..Top schools matter but to what extent..Of course there are no source -force in US of A..I think Virusno1 is simply stating that it's the calibre of the candidate matters, the skills he has and ability to compete in this Job market..I strongly disagree with ur jist of the writing..Go to top school and land on a good job..Look dude i have graduated from Obscure university(comparable to  Univ of Lower manchuria) ,but i am happy with the job i have and what i earn at this point...

i don't discourage people to go to top notch university , go there but i want to make one thing dead clear, It's the skill that u have that matters..Your CV of course , not the GPA and the univ where u studied..On a given day u have to convince the people that are interviewing you that even though u went to some Dinky university , Yes i do possess the skill neeeded to compete with best of Univ grads..It's the confidence, self belief that matters..

Pire bro,

I studied in gaun ko school in nepal, learnt ABCD on class three , got a good marks in SLC, Went to Governmnet college in Nepal, and landed in this country with only self belief in hand and of course honed my skills like virusno1 said ..i don't have regret in graduating from Dinky university, but on a given day i can compete and beat with so called grads from topnotch schools..

The floor is all urs Pire..mitra

 
Posted on 10-22-08 9:49 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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You can do good no matter what kind of university you go to. Or, even if you don't go to any.

However, statistics of my graduated friends, who went to different universities tell a different story. Those who graduated from Ivies, or even some other top-notch schools have starting salaries of over $100000. Those who didn't though they are happy with what they are doing and making, earn considerably a lower amount. 

Last line - If you have the option of choosing a considerably better university, always go for it.

 
Posted on 10-22-08 9:52 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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pyaradeshbasiharu mitra,

There is no thing wrong with going to village school or anything. I am not saying you can't go anywhere without going to top school. I don't know what you do, but ever wonder how come professors of top university, directors of top research labs, inventors of top technologies are rarely from lower ranked school?

Mitra, ani guff diera matra hudaina. How do you know you can beat anyone in any given day? Perhaps it shows your ignorance, my friend. Have you published in top journals, or have you patented some good technology? If that is the case, then , sure, you are as good as them. But if that is not the case, then you haven't really met a smart person. It reminded me an Indian who had married a Nepali and whom I met in a party. He obviously was either a pompous person, or wanted to show off in front of a Nepali. He said something along the line that , " ..people from MIT, Caltech work under me. So, I am better than them." It turned out that this person was working at a car-rental company headquarter. Sure, even if he were not lying, there may be students from top schools working under him, but he didn't meet the top students of top schools.

Personally, most of the Nepali I have met haven't cut it into top research labs or top faculty position unless they have graduated from top schools. Of course, the people I have met represents only a small sample of total people. But a lot of Nepali are going to top schools, and they have a great future, and more importantly, they may not spend a lot of their time in Sajha unlike you and me:)

 
Posted on 10-23-08 8:05 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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If you are from good University the probability of you getting a job becomes high and vice versa. But if you are from a lower university you may still end up getting good job once you gain experience.  But I have to agree with Pire in one point that  if you study in  top universities particularly in a research base subject, it is most likely that those research are collaborated with some company or for that matter some company might have close link with that university.  The students get hands on experience in attending seminars and conferences and comes across top class employer long before he graduate.  I have seen almost all the student from my department getting a job immediately after graduating because those research are sponsored by big shot companies.

 
Posted on 10-23-08 10:45 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Here's how I see it, plain and simple:

  • Best: excellent student gets degree from top-tier school
  • Better: excellent student gets degree from so-so school
  • Good: average student gets degree from top-tier school
  • Almost as good: average student gets degree from so-so school

There is no denying that where you go to school matters.  Ever wonder why Stanford accepts only 9% of its applicants while most schools labor hard to attract students?  Name of the school matters, period. 

Having said that, the name of your top-tier school is good only for few years into your career because it will open doors but not help you walk in.  After 5 years from graduation, what you have done so far matters more than where you went to school.

Also, let me add, name matters.... up to a point.  I know of Harvard graduate(s) who could not get a job despite his Hahvahd education.  I also know of graduates from so-called 3rd-tier schools who are doing very very well professionally, economically and socially.

So, my friends, it's up to you to how good a lemonade you make with the lemon you get. 

 


 


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